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Post by jondelux on Sept 11, 2016 16:41:00 GMT
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andrew
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2016 18:16:45 GMT
I quite like that Moskvich later on in the film (but then I need help....) and I saw the Wartburg stand behind Princess Anne, but couldn't see the car!
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Post by andrejuan on Sept 11, 2016 18:46:21 GMT
I quite like that Moskvich later on in the film (but then I need help....) and I saw the Wartburg stand behind Princess Anne, but couldn't see the car! You and me the same Andrew, my Dad tried one for 6 months when I was a kid. Built like a Russian tank but woefully flawed. I still have a little bit of a thing for them though, very rare now in this country and fetching half decent money. |
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Post by starider on Dec 13, 2016 17:44:58 GMT
Hi,didn't see this older post at the time, but to add to the above posts, a friend of mine had the Moskvich dealership way back when, I cann't remember how long he kept it, but I remember the engines were poor and finish and trim were of a low standard.
The Wartburg and SAAB used the same 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine which was surprisingly swift[although pretty smokey].I believe the engine was originally designed and used by DKW. Personally I wouldn't touch a Moskvich[if available] with a barge pole..................starider
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Post by andrew on Dec 14, 2016 15:43:44 GMT
Hi,didn't see this older post at the time, but to add to the above posts, a friend of mine had the Moskvich dealership way back when, I cann't remember how long he kept it, but I remember the engines were poor and finish and trim were of a low standard. The Wartburg and SAAB used the same 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine which was surprisingly swift[although pretty smokey].I believe the engine was originally designed and used by DKW. Personally I wouldn't touch a Moskvich[if available] with a barge pole..................starider I've owned a Wartburg and it was a great car! I think one has to bear in mind that cars such as these and Moskvichs, 1970s and 80's Skodas, Ladas and FSOs (A.K.A. Polski Fiats) were build and sold on a completely different basis to those British cars of the time. The cars were NOT in any way a status symbol and were built to allow the DIY mechanic to repair them. Another reason they sold was they were available at a time when British car factories spent a considerable amount of time on strike! I also reckon a new Moskvich would compare favourably with a Morris Marina of the time. The instruction book for a Moskvich was more like a workshop manual-believe me, I have one! The Moskvich engines I've worked on in the past were superbly over-engineered and I noticed were very similar to B.M.W. 1500cc ones. Over-head camshaft engines on a car that cost only £700 in the mid 1970's was a pretty good deal! What I also remember was that the dealerships that sold these brands of cars were more often that not smaller, family-owned garages, who really KNEW their customers and their aftercare would often be better than a larger, more impersonal garage might be. I owned Škodas from the 1980s and if looked after and serviced in line the with the manufacturer's instructions would be as reliable as any other car. The problem often was the financial abilities of the owners, who, having scraped together enough cash to buy the car often couldn't afford the service schedule & would miss one, leading to a problem becoming a bigger one than it might have been, had the car been serviced regularly. When Škoda say a service every 3,000 miles, they mean it! As to Wartburg engines, yes, their engines were based on a pre-war D.K.W. design, which carried on in D.K.W. cars until they were swallowed by Audi. Amazing performance for an engine of under 1 litre, which produces twice as many power strokes as a conventional 4 stroke engine. Wartburg adverts used the "3=6" slogan to good effect. As you might have gathered from this comment, eastern European cars are another interest of mine, after Dafs! |
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Post by andrejuan on Dec 14, 2016 18:51:22 GMT
I tend to agree with you Andrew. Škoda had a reputation they didn't deserve, and at the time were built far better than many other cars of the era.
Wartburg had a lovely sound in my opinion, a childhood neighbour had one and I loved to hear him set of in it, even when it spluttered on cold mornings.
My memory of our Moskvitch was not a bad one, Dad wasn't that keen but it never let him down even though it never ran right either (2*petrol)!.
It had twin headlights though, so was a step above the rest !!! :-)
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