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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 3, 2009 11:09:09 GMT
Thought it was about time I set up a long running thread for Gladys on here. She seems to be running very well at the moment and has done a fair few miles recently, with this sunshine I just can't resist getting her out instead of my air conditioned Ibiza I must be absolutly mad but its fun.
I was pottering around the lanes to today and decided to call in to a friend who lives up a rather rough track rather stupid really. Anyway on getting back out onto the open road I noticed a bit of a tinny rattle. Stopped the car and looked underneath thinking I might have a loose exhaust I cant see anything wrong underneath apart from a badly perished rubber band on the center exhaust mount it looks like it may be original but it hasn't broken I am at a loss to what is causing this new rattle any suggestions welcome
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 3, 2009 17:50:29 GMT
any help really apreciated on this as Mum is going away in the Ibiza tommorow for several days so I will have to rely on Gladys and I really don't want to break her by not repairing something that is critical to the car safe use. A bit more info the sound is intermitent occuring randomly and sounds like metal hitting tarmac hence me thinking the exhaust had come loose this has NOT happened. The noise is not particularily loud (only audible when engine is running fairly slowly) but speed dose not affect it. It sort of sounds like clink clink clink and only when the car is moving. That is about as good as I can do.
As I said I have only access to this car for nearly a week so need to get to bottom of this quite quickly
please please please Help
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Post by spunkymonkey on Jun 3, 2009 19:55:34 GMT
Off the top of my head nothing spring to mind, Paul. Lots of things can come loose on a car, especially as they get old , and especially especially when they're taken over rough ground. One thing I will say, though, is that I can't remember ever hearing a rattle (without other fairly obvious symptoms) that was anything serious. Serious things tend to either show in other ways too - like steering or brakes not working - or appear all of a sudden with a big, loud bang Have a quick check of steering (for play), brakes and handbrake (for working) and suspension for the wheels being secure. If that all comes up ok then we'll all have a listen at Lichfield for you ;D
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Post by daf44 on Jun 3, 2009 23:12:29 GMT
hi paul.
check the metalwork covering the pistons and the exhaust heat exchangers. something may have worked loose here. as joe says, rattles on their own are normally fairly minor things . thay just irritate the hell out of you on a run.
i have found (and cured) various rattles on my daf and other air cooled vehicle over the years, but really need to hear them to tell what they are. i would be glad to listen if you can get to Swansea sometime. PM me if this would be any help.
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 4, 2009 0:28:52 GMT
like Paul said check the covers and also the heat exchangers themselfs, check the baffles in the center box (by banging the exhaust), check that the oil filler cap is fitted tight(but not to tight) check the summer winter flap on the aircleaner, check the air cleaner is tightley secured, check the transmission covers are not loose, check that a belt is not on its way out.
is this noise when stationary or moving?
make sure that there are two of the rubbers on the center section of the exhaust or it will make the prop sit at an angle as the exhaust tends to keep the engine in line 44 exhausts are a nightmare for breaking these rubbers. i once fitted the wrong size rubbers and it made the car sound quite noisey.as it liffted the engine at the back and it was fighting against the prop.
call me if you are worried
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 4, 2009 7:08:06 GMT
This noise is only when the car is moving, If I rev the engine in neutral (don't worry I didn't try and engage drive before switching off) the noise is not present. I had a look at those rubbers and they are pretty far gone and a big jolt would break them.
Paul
just a thought could this be related to the fact that I had a sticking shock absorber on the back end of the car that I haven't yet changed as I managed to unstick it, the shock is still weak but works, do you reckon the rattle could be something to do with this. The rattle seems to come from the middle toward the back end of the car when driving but sounds can echoe.
Those rubbers on the exhaust mount are they available widely or do I need to go on a parts hunt
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 4, 2009 21:19:36 GMT
Took her out for a run today was rattling got her up on ramps one band on exhaust mount nearly broken so wrapped insulation tape round it as temporary bodge fix till I can get them rubber rings for the exhaust mount and problem solved for now, whilst underneath noticed vario cover had a bolt missing now replaced now running with a few less rattles I think whats left are just the normal air cooled rattles so not worried. Am taking her down to the welders tomorrow to get a qoute for welding patches to front wing and boot floor not too bad at the moment but bugging me so its going to be done. From photos he reckons about £50 quids worth of welding if I do all the filling and finishing, I would do the welding as well if I had a welder.
Less worried now even enough to think about doing some cosmetics LOL
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 5, 2009 16:32:17 GMT
went for a little trip to the supermarket today and on returning to the car was amazed at what had parked next to her whilst I was in the shop "A Jaguar E-type V12 cabriolet". These 2 cars would have a combined age of 72years. You don't expect to see either of these cars in a supermarket car park let alone there alone and parked together and off the same year, wish I could have the black background plates on Gladys but I don't think there allowed I don't think that E-type should have them either to be honest.
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 5, 2009 17:36:28 GMT
Hi Paul, bless Gladys looks so tall next to the jag, the exhaust rubbers are available from auto factors or exhaust centres for pittance
Paul
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 6, 2009 9:08:40 GMT
Gladys is going to have her bodywork repaired on the 15th june. (So that I have a chance of winning more prizes at lichfield mwhahaha). To save me a bit of cash the body shop is purely going to remove the rot and weld in patches and put a coat of rust proofer on. All very well if I had a sprayer to hand and an ounce of experience with bodywork so we will see how well this comes out. My uncle down near Slough has got a sprayer and a compressor and I would have to take the car to him and do it. All very well but its quite a long way. So i'm going to be cheaky ;D ;D and ask does anyone a bit closer to me have a sprayer and compressor they could lend me and possibly some expertise. I would make it worth your while. ;D Anglesey and Swansea residents targeted in particular LOL I would drive to you but am slightly worried about my patches rusting on route and having to be redone.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Jun 6, 2009 9:24:07 GMT
;D Unfortunately, my spray blower suffered a nasty death a few days ago while I was doing Betty's n/s/f wing. The smoke was quite impressive but the completely missing commutator segment says that it's dead for real this time Thinking of picking up a cheap hoover from a car boot and see how that works next. If it does I don't think we'll have time to get it to you before Lichfield but if you can make it here on a day trip then I'm sure we can get some paint on ;D In the meantime, once the patches are done, do the filling and put a couple of coats of "near match" aerosol topcoat over it. That'll be easy to remove when you get a chance to spray but will keep the moisture out until then - both filler and primer are slightly porous so not a good idea to leave them exposed for too long!
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 6, 2009 10:22:40 GMT
I Have a compressor and gun if you need to use it, i never get the time. or correct weather to do repairs, mine goes in on the 16th of June to have its body repaired. i brought my compressor from Aldi, it is quite good as well, it is advertised in the back of PC under the name wolf air, but its nearly £70 cheaper. they sell them every now and again, this year they were blue, they come with a gravity fed gun (best in my opinion) long air hose, all connections and regulator with two outlets and wheels, under seal gun, air brush set , tyre inflater with gauge, air gun and i think two or three year guarantee, £70 plus all the parts are available with catalogue and they are local to me. plus Aldi sell all of the extra's like reciprocating saw and air drill, air wrench and nail gun all around £15 . all the tools that i have brought from there are cheap but al last a long time and are very robust. the ratchet spanners are nearly as good as the halfords one's you just have to wait until they get them in normally twice a year.
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Post by Richard DAF Webmeister on Jun 6, 2009 19:50:33 GMT
And we all know which is the most interesting and rarer of those two L-reg cars in the carpark, don't we?! Good old Gladys.
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Post by daf44 on Jun 6, 2009 22:08:36 GMT
hi paul.
i can get hold of a spray kit, and can use them fairly well. the only problem is that i do not have a garage to use them in, only my driveway.
silver on black number plates are okay on anything before M reg (1973)so you could put them on. they do look much better.
give me a ring to see if we can meet up sometime (number on PM).
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Post by pyoorkate on Jun 7, 2009 14:50:17 GMT
Yeah, I wish I could have the black/silver plates because I love the idea of the DAFs being monochromatic; but both my 44s are too late...
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 8, 2009 22:15:10 GMT
Well I must say Gladys has worked like a trooper over the last week and seems to be all the happier for it some rattles seem to have stopped she picks up quicker and starts easier and no work has been done Ive just given her a bit of heavy use as they say a car should be used and I just got proof of why. Just one little point though noticed whilst following (stuck behind) a very heavily loaded grain truck going up a steep hill that to keep at the must have been less than 5mph was making the clutch slip, not really a huge problem but we get a lot of these very slow lorries and I have no desire to burn my clutch shoes so is they anyway on a very steep uphill when you are having to crawl to keep the revs up enough so that the clutch isn't slipping but the forward speed low enough that you don't back end the overloaded grain lorry or sillage trailer. If there isn't a way I will just pull up before any really steep hills and give the slow vehichle a bit of time to get up it.
you watch murphys law says that now ive pu how impressed I am at Gladys ability to cope with the daily grind of the Ibiza including rough farm tracks and a 150miles in 4days she will brake down tommorow just to spite me lol
Paul. p.s. Gladys is going to be involved in a photo shoot for my detachments commanders (army cadet force I am an AI and will be taking full command at the end of the month) leaving parade. I will try though cannot garantee to be able to put photos on hear due to data protection act I will pass it by headqauters and find out should be a great photo if I can. I can just picture it now Gladys with 5 cadets in uniform all with rifles kneeling in front and the cadet standards and union jack on the windows.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 17, 2009 20:12:05 GMT
Gladys is now a rust hole free DAF. I picked her up from the welders today and drove her straight to Swansea where Paul44 put some paint on her. Unfortuantly due to a hickup with the paint I have a patch thats the wrong colour this will be delt with shortly. Paul took her for a drive afterwards and noticed that the kick down was way to early and adjusted it roughly, the car will now speeds up when you accelerate rather than slowing down if on a hill. I intend to set it to the autodata book of lies.
Unfortunatly she has developed a metal on metal grinding noise when on tickover and the engine is cold. Bad news I think as Paul thought what I had been desperatly hoping it wouldn't be so anyone fancy helping me pull the engine when I get to Lichfield hopefully it will be nothing.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Jun 17, 2009 21:04:13 GMT
I'll bring a trolly jack ;D
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Post by daf44 on Jun 17, 2009 21:15:07 GMT
hi.
pleased to help. it was great to actually see another daf and owner.
we should be able to set the kickdown properly on the road run on sunday. glad to hear it made a difference.
see you sunday. paul44
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 17, 2009 21:40:52 GMT
i have to admit that i never adjusted the kick down, it always seemed to go ok when i had it ;D
i will bring plenty of tools if you want to litchfield. although unsure of what noise it could be. does the clutch seem ok?
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Post by spunkymonkey on Jun 17, 2009 21:47:32 GMT
Seems unlikely to be clutch if it's only with a cold engine. Try it in neutral, spin the prop up by revving it then let it idle again. If it still does it it's very unlikely to be clutch because the drag will keep the prop spinning so there'll be hardly any relative movement between the clutch shoes and drum.
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Post by daf44 on Jun 17, 2009 22:09:36 GMT
hi.
i actually drive gladys, and the kickdown works far earlier than on my 44. it worked almost as soon as you touched the throttle, where mine does not kick down until well over half throttle. gladys runs very well but as soon as you hit a slight hill and increase throttle, the kickdown would put the car in a lower gear rather than supply extra power to maintain the speed.
the clutch works fine with no judder, but the noise is the sort of metallic scraping i would expect if one or more of the clutch linings had gone, leaving bare metal to scrape the drum. the noise is just there when the engine is hot, but the tickover is fractionally higher when the choke used on a cold engine. I have not had this noise on my car so it may be something totally different, but the clutch seems the most likely thing to me.
i will have a closer look on sunday as we should have a bit more time in laugharne at the end of the road run. 10.45 start in bracelet bay, swansea. if anyone is interested.
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Post by daf44 on Jun 17, 2009 22:11:00 GMT
sorry. forgot to add that the noise goes completely as soon as the clutch engages.
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 18, 2009 1:10:33 GMT
HI Paul did you manage to fit new 'O' rings to the exhaust? when i first had her the exhaust used to clonk on the floor so when i took it to the exhaust place they heated it up and moved it,
i then found out that the engine mountings were lose and when i tightened them up the exhaust was in the wrong place again. like i said before if there are no rubbers on or the wrong side it puts pressure on the torque tube.
it sounds like a clutch shoe to me. but not 100% without hearing it.
also when i got gladys she was that gummed up she would change up as soon as you set off but not change back down without braking, after a about 1000 miles it cleared and seemed ok.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 18, 2009 16:43:21 GMT
I haven't changed the O rings yet but niether have broken it seems to be at the moment that I never get round to walking down the road to ATS and getting new ones they do them "apparently" there computer even listed the DAF which is better than motorworld who said to me whats that, they also told me I cannot use T-Cut and have to use a very expensive Autoglym antique car wax restorer because it would have lead based paint. This I am dubious about me thinks they are just trying to sell the most expensive product on the shelf. But better safe than sorry so I will ask has anyone ever had a problem using T-Cut on a DAF I want Gladys to blind people as she goes down the road and I think might also even up the paintwork some what. I thinks some time during Sunday we should service her as well it doesn't seem right that I have to use choke to start the car in the current weather (even at an ambiet temp 26 degrees last week)
Paul
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Post by dafdaffer on Jun 18, 2009 17:02:39 GMT
i would think it highly unlikley that it has lead in it, t cut is fine just dont do the passenger side rear wing.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Jun 18, 2009 17:23:19 GMT
Have just done as Joe suggested and revved the car up in neutral I can confirm that the noise is there whether the car is in neutral or drive. I then drove the car a bit and pulled up and let it idle it idled without noise for a count of 5 then the mettalic grating noise cut in abruptly I had not touched any controls. Some more examination reveals that the front drivers side shockabsorber has also seized, probably at the same time as the other one but went unnnoticed as it is stuck at normal ride height. I say this because I can compress the passenger side front wing without problem but my entire body weight is not enough to compress the drivers side. Any suggestions on a way to unsieze the front shock when it is stuck in a streched position. To unstick the rear I jacked it up and that was enough then replaced them as they kept sticking. I thought `bout taking it of the car and compressing with a bar clamp but am thinking this might damge the conections.
Paul
p.s. have discovered the metalic clinking noise yesterday I lent on part of the engine and it did it but was unable to make it do it again. Turns out that the metal jubilee clip on the rubber shroud of the stuck shock had come loose and is tapping against the shaft as the shock was exposed this may explain why it has stuck in the first place. Im glad I found that it was really bugging me as I thought I had solved it once and it came back.
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Post by daf44 on Jun 18, 2009 22:00:42 GMT
hi paul. my MK1 is 8 years older than yours and would be more likely to have lead paint but T-cut worked great on it. If you are not sure, test on a small piece under the bonnet. if it works, do the rest of the car. mine has faded since, but as i never got round to actually polishing the car that is my fault, not the T-cut. with the front shock, try jacking the car up in the centre of the front crossmember and see if the front shocks extend at all. if it has seized solid then a stripdown may be the best option, especially after the mileage you have done in the car. the only other thing i have done in the past is to jack the wheel about 3-4 inches off the floor, and then drop the jack fast. the sudden shock of a few hundred kilos of car dropping from that height can occasionally free a stuck shock. the impact is less than hitting a pothole at reasonable speed, but the force of it is straight down so can have a little more effect. if it is still stuck, then a stripdown will be the only option. compressing with a clamp will probably break something. paul44
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Post by Patrick on Jun 18, 2009 22:20:58 GMT
I haven't changed the O rings yet but niether have broken it seems to be at the moment that I never get round to walking down the road to ATS and getting new ones they do them "apparently" there computer even listed the DAF which is better than motorworld who said to me whats that, they also told me I cannot use T-Cut and have to use a very expensive Autoglym antique car wax restorer because it would have lead based paint. This I am dubious about me thinks they are just trying to sell the most expensive product on the shelf. But better safe than sorry so I will ask has anyone ever had a problem using T-Cut on a DAF I want Gladys to blind people as she goes down the road and I think might also even up the paintwork some what. I thinks some time during Sunday we should service her as well it doesn't seem right that I have to use choke to start the car in the current weather (even at an ambiet temp 26 degrees last week) Paul In my wasted youth I spent a year as a car valeter. There we had the luxury of four polishes; A straight (T) cutter - a 40/60 mix, a 60/40 mix and just a polisher. Mad really. Later on I'd buy Auto Glym stuff because I liked the way it worked - and it's a bit of trivia - but even the basic AutoGlym Polish (around £6-8) a bottle - with the red square on the front) contains an element of cutting in it. The last time I used this was on a low mileage Sierra that friend picked up cheaply, in what used to be called "Sebring" Orangey red. The paint had dulled as the Ford and Vauxhall reds have a habit of doing - and just two goings over with the AutoGlym had it looking beautiful. (For a low mileage 11 year old car, anyway) I think you get what you pay for with A/G. The polish always seemed quite gentle, and never streaked. Even the industrial stuff at the valeters could leave greasy petrolley marks across the paintwork sometimes. (Usually Metros for some reason!).
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Post by spunkymonkey on Jun 18, 2009 22:32:52 GMT
Claiming it's unsafe to T-Cut lead paint is a little, errr, extreme. How much paint do they think you're planning to rub off? And are you planning to snort the powder when you've finished (come to think of it, mid Wales, not a lot to do of an evening...... ) ?
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