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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 12, 2009 9:23:53 GMT
Found a place to do the work in Coventry awaiting recovery now I will post pics of said recovery when I get back tonight hopefully with a fully working and non-grinding DAF wish me luck.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 12, 2009 10:13:05 GMT
Well I never the RAC man that came out was actually an ex-daf mechanic. Took one look at the car said youve chucked a lining got a big hammer out. He got the drum a little loose and blasted inside with an air hose hey presto the car drives again. The car is now parked off the road having the clutch stripped and repaired im expecting at the current rate of progress to have the engine back in and the car driving by tommorow. Have discovered a few stubborn bolts but all seems to be progressing. Only thing that worries me is a bit of corrosion that I spyed in the engine bay earlier think it may need welding for next MOT its a bit too close to the engine mount for comfort.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 12, 2009 11:47:51 GMT
Engine mounts aren't an MOT issue, Paul. Crazy as it sounds, if it isn't within 30cm of a steering or suspension mount then it's likely to pass
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 13, 2009 14:26:01 GMT
New problem. The new parts are different from the old ones. The clutch shoes have the holes in the center of the shoe rather than at the end where they are on the ones already on the car. Am I right in thinking that Danny may have sent me 33 parts by mistake, and if so are these parts going to be useable or am I going to have to send the them back again. Also the clutch bearing again seems too small.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 13, 2009 16:07:25 GMT
right the new ones I have are the old emision control shoes, and the ones on the car are the newer version. and it says they are interchangable . Will i need to adjust anything after fitting these to make them work correctly. as for the bearing oh well i will get another closer fitting one
looking at this the shoes are going to lower the clutch engagement speed so no more tweaking the tickover speed by ear anymore rev counter required. Very glad this is the case as I had already fitted the new shoes ;D Right situation so far new shoes fitted engine back in car but electrics and throttle and choke not yet connected. Clutch drum turns freely by hand so hopefully all is well there. Clutch bearing has no play in it whatosoever so I can only imagine the noise we thought was the bearing was in fact the fore warning that it was gonna chuck a lining. Finishing tommorow and hopefully (really heavily emphasised) taking her for a nice long trip to bed the new shoes in tomorrow 50miles + anyone fancy an impromptune DAF meeting?
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Post by 33grinder on Oct 13, 2009 19:32:52 GMT
Good on you Paul!!
I think I remember seeing on Danny's site that there was a picture of some shoes with a cross through them and another picture next to them. Certainly on the 33 so possibly on the 44 too!
Glad it has gone quite smoothly for you and good luck, I will hopefully soon be revoking your membership to TGC! ;D
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 14, 2009 16:02:13 GMT
Shes fixed!!!!! and has a lot more guts about her. That might have something to do with the fact that there where no linings on the secondary shoes what so-ever. The primary shoes look like they still had a fair bit of wear in them. That might explain why it wouldn't do more than 65MPH the clutch must have been slipping as the engine revs. Only problem with theses new shoes is that I have had to set the idle speed so long that she has a tendency to stall. Might be able to tweek it a bit using a tuning rig at uni.
I now have a DAF that is in perfect working order and best of all does not grind yippie.
Paul
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 14, 2009 17:28:00 GMT
And the best bit.... it was all your own work ;D
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 14, 2009 19:09:04 GMT
well almost I had a mechanic mate tweek the mixture and set the timing on a crypton machine this morning. Am I right in thinking that in about 100 miles the shoes may have worn down enough to push tickover up at the moment its set at 600 and biting at about 650 which seems very low.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 14, 2009 19:27:19 GMT
That is low for the clutch to bite, Paul. From memory it's supposed to start around 950 - 1050 rpm. Did Danny also supply the correct springs to use with the replacement shoes or are you using yor old ones? That might cause a slightly low engagement speed because of the difference in spring lengths. In any case, as the linings wear a little the engagement speed will increase so if it's driving ok at the moment it should be fine.
As for a 600 rpm idle - either his crypton is measuring wrong or you have a very nice engine if you've got it smooth at that ;D
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 14, 2009 19:41:20 GMT
Used the old springs, and the engine is idling very roughly and wont idle cold I may tweek it up a little bit cause the alternator wont charge at that speed. Oh well its all about the tweaking to get her running right, I think with a drive belt tension as there is very little gap at the rear pulleys she will be running sweetly. Maybe Ill get it checked on another crypton machine causes his is a little long in the tooth. He also told me why the bearing was too small I was trying to change the flywheel bearing rather than one at the back of the clutch that I didn't even realise was there. I may have to pull it again and change that bearing as the noise is very annoying indeed.
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Post by 33grinder on Oct 14, 2009 20:48:36 GMT
Paul, Yay, good on you! She might have a bearing noise but she drives and, more importantly, she doesn't grind! I think on this basis you may consider your membership to TGC officially revoked! You'll always be welcome back of course, not that I want you to return to grinding! ;D
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 14, 2009 21:12:06 GMT
Ok, looking at the service bulletin the earlier shoes (ie: your new ones) should have longer springs but with fewer coils. The springs you have may be a little more "stretchy" because of the extra coils but they'll be pre-loaded more by being shorter overall so I'd guess the two would roughly cancel out.
If it doesn't improve as they bed in then you might have to think about getting and fitting the other springs but at least it'll be a definate, known, issue and you can be confident it's not causing any damage if you choose not to (unlike the grinding / clutch locking etc that you had before!)
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Post by dafdaffer on Oct 14, 2009 23:08:56 GMT
take it up porlock hill and do a few hill starts that should bed it in ;D
the noise is normally the flywheel bearing.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 15, 2009 15:04:19 GMT
Thought I would post some photos of how bad my clutch was well if your ready for it here goes. All the shoes positioned as they where on the car. and some closre up photos of the worst offenders 4 of them where in this state and as far as I can gather are all of the secondary shoes. as you can see there is minor damge to the actual metal of the bad shoes but I don't think its so bad that they can't be relined. Paul
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Post by dafdaffer on Oct 15, 2009 19:15:06 GMT
as far as i can remember the previous owner mrs mason had them relined once
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 27, 2009 15:43:57 GMT
Clutch seems to have settled in nicely and now seems to be biting around 1000rpm seems about right to me so I tweaked the tickover back up good 5 miles down the road it was back where it was barely ticking over at all stalling at every junction. I have wound the tickover up again 5 times now and every time within 10mins of running its back on extra slow. I put a meter on it and it falls down to 300rpm. Now is there a lock nut for the throttle stop screw that may have gone missing? or have I connected every thing up wrong. Oh and the flat spot on pull away is no more since I tweaked the tuning now it just wont keep a steady tickover.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 27, 2009 19:52:13 GMT
No locknut for the idle screw, Paul, but it should have a fairly heavy spring around the screw itself (between the head and the hole it screws into) that stops it shaking loose.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 27, 2009 20:01:04 GMT
the spring is there but it definatly loses revs as it runs maybe a new spring is needed as I can turn the screw without a screwdriver
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Post by spunkymonkey on Oct 27, 2009 20:16:51 GMT
It's pretty usual to be able to turn them by hand - the spring is just enough to stop them vibrating in or out so make sure everything else (vacuum leaks, timing, mixture) is right before trying to tighten it up. Also check for wear in the throttle linkage and the spindle that goes through the carb.
Finally, how's your battery and charging system? Sheila's suffering similar at the moment which seems to be down to the battery voltage being a little low (especially with lights on) at idle. Low voltage = less reliable spark.
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Post by daf44 on Oct 28, 2009 18:08:09 GMT
hi.
adjust the tickover screw and put a drop of superglue it. this will stop it coming loose, but will break free very easily if you turn it with a screwdriver.
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Post by dafdaffer on Oct 28, 2009 21:12:09 GMT
check the famous anti run on valve, it had moments when i had it
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Post by dafdaffer on Oct 29, 2009 8:31:38 GMT
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Post by pauldaf44 on Oct 29, 2009 10:31:36 GMT
could be interesting but i haven't had any problems since I rebuilt the old one although the ride is a bit harsh.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 5, 2009 13:03:36 GMT
Ok superglue worked for a bit and it is not dropping anywhere near as low. But it has started too drop again incedently this only happens when the engine is warm and is intemittant so I supspect dafdaffer is probably right about the valve. So 3 stupid questions 1. Where is the anti run on valve? 2. How do I test to see if its the problem? 3. Is it likely to repairable or will it need a new part, if so can I get them?
Apart from this the car is running excellently apart from the heater has given up might need to check the exchangers.
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Post by 33grinder on Nov 5, 2009 13:14:03 GMT
Hi Paul,
It screws onto the side of the carb and has a wire running to the dizzy (a green wire on my 33 with a spade terminal).
Guess best way is to try a replacement. I got one from Danny, second hand, cost EUR10.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 5, 2009 13:26:53 GMT
dizzy I take it is short for distributor?
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Post by 33grinder on Nov 5, 2009 13:46:14 GMT
Yep, short for distributor. The sign-off is good mate but I don't think Gladys will appreciate being called a 'dunny'. Thankfully I don't think we have any Australian forum users here! ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunny
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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 5, 2009 13:54:44 GMT
Spent 7 years in Queensland as a kid - does that count? As long as it's not got redbacks under the seat ;D
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 5, 2009 19:47:03 GMT
Looks like Gladys prepares for another long distance run tommorow seeing as arriva trains want to charge nearly £70 for a return ticket. If Gladys only does 25mpg and I would be very annoyed if that where the case it will only cost £60 + no waiting for delayed trains, and no rail replacement bus service. Ohhh fun!!.
Wish me luck
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