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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 27, 2010 22:42:54 GMT
Cheers Pete - it feels frustratingly slow from here cos I was initially hoping to be able to get her driving round the yard before tackling the bodywork but the seized engine (plus lack of battery or brakes) put paid to that idea!
And CiTP is definately on the cards for her, Bob. We're trying to think of a way to get Betty, Sheila AND her down there but it would probably involve either Betty or Sheila pulling her - which may be a little optimistic (not to mention finding a light enough trailer)!
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 28, 2010 12:36:37 GMT
Cheers Pete - it feels frustratingly slow from here cos I was initially hoping to be able to get her driving round the yard before tackling the bodywork but the seized engine (plus lack of battery or brakes) put paid to that idea! And CiTP is definately on the cards for her, Bob. We're trying to think of a way to get Betty, Sheila AND her down there but it would probably involve either Betty or Sheila pulling her - which may be a little optimistic (not to mention finding a light enough trailer)! Could you not ask Dave Scrivens. I would lend a spare driver but I need her. Will this one be going to henblas?
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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 28, 2010 14:23:44 GMT
Thanks for your sympathy Mac ;D No real movement yet, John - just enough to feel a slight "click" either way on the crank. Don't fancy stripping it all the way either - not least because I'd still have the problem of getting the pistons out after doing that! Spare drivers are a problem, Paul, cos we don't know anyone else who'd particularly want to sit around in a field for a weekend - even Andrea got bored last year and spent most of it elsewhere and she had her own car there The empty weight is within Sheila's abilities (at a push) for a steady tow, leaving the 320kg tent for Betty to deal with. It's the 300 or 400kg extra for a trailer that would cause problems and I don't fancy towing that far over the mountains on a dolly! As for Henblas, assuming no unexpected problems, she'll be there - it's local enough to run a ferry service.
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 28, 2010 18:27:36 GMT
I would hte to see you have to strip that lump down all the way. I wouldn't....more pics for us! ;D Carefull Mr Plaxton otherwise Joe might go to yours at midnight strip Dillys engine down to component parts and leave you to put it back together
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Post by 33grinder on Nov 28, 2010 21:00:30 GMT
I've got a 33 engine that needs rebuilding Joe! If you like you can wait for me to strip it and learn from my inevitable mistakes OR you could borrow it for a practice run as I would trust your 'practice run' better than any half-backsided attempt I could make. ;D
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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 29, 2010 14:18:48 GMT
I've got a 33 engine that needs rebuilding Joe! If you like you can wait for me to strip it and learn from my inevitable mistakes OR you could borrow it for a practice run as I would trust your 'practice run' better than any half-backsided attempt I could make. ;D That might be a project for the next Essex meet, Pete, assuming no on-route breakdowns to help with ;D
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Post by 33grinder on Nov 29, 2010 17:57:33 GMT
True, although we never did get around to sorting Gavina's front lower ball joints......I seem to remember other more pressing jobs were required! ;D
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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 30, 2010 20:35:26 GMT
Wnet down to have a bit more struggle time with Matilda's engine today but didn't get anywhere - partly because the young lad who also uses the place keeps having problems with his Toledo engined, Herald carb'd Standard Eight and, despite my best advice, just won't start from scratch and sort it methodically. So time was taken up on keeping him at least moving I did get to try my next bright idea for freeing the piston though. It didn't seem to work, but it was a bright idea...... Maybe next time I should do the same again with the puller in place to keep pressure on as it warms and cools? ;D
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Post by pauldaf44 on Nov 30, 2010 20:46:20 GMT
It starting to look as if you may have to split the crankcase and press the pistons out.
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Post by 33grinder on Nov 30, 2010 20:51:00 GMT
It would have worked better if you'd brought some marshmallows with you Joe.
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Post by spunkymonkey on Nov 30, 2010 21:57:48 GMT
Can't see how the crankcase can split while the pistons are stuck, Paul - they'd separate a maximum of maybe 1/2 inch before the pistons stopped them going any further and don't think I could get in through that to undo the big ends. Marshmallows sound like a good idea but I'm a bit worried that the drippy bits might get in and glue it all up worse? Will have to get a decent day down there and really work on them before I get frustrated and go the lump hammer route
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 1, 2010 11:59:35 GMT
I think next plan of attack is to refit heads with a block of wood under them and tighten down evenly both sides.
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Post by kenr on Dec 1, 2010 19:01:51 GMT
Cola?
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Post by pauldaf44 on Dec 1, 2010 19:08:48 GMT
We use the stuff at college to free up seized motors. Drain the oil fill the sump and the bores with cola. Leave it overnight, our tutors swear by the stuff as it dissolves carbon and rust, but doesn't harm the sound metal.
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Post by Bob Scrivens on Dec 1, 2010 22:55:49 GMT
Hi Joe could you put a 3 legged puller on the barrel and leave it under tension? If the pistons are the standard size I have 2 spare and I believe new standard rings?
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 4, 2010 18:44:29 GMT
It's been under tension for the past 3 weels or so, Bob, while soaking as well! Still no movement so, in deference to Paul B, the parafin / oil / ATF has been swapped for Tesco's finest 17p / bottle cola. It certainly fizzed well as it went in so time will tell if it works or not Meanwhile, I've retrieved and brushed off the assorted bolts that were getting a vinegar soak - they've come up nice and clean, although it has dulled the chrome plate on the seat wing-bolts. Still, they're far enough out of sight in use that I don't think that matters much I've also removed the brake master cylinder today and can confirm that it's well and truly fubar'd. Which brings me to a question: The original item is a 3/4 inch Lockheet "tin can" type which is available if you hunt but seem to work out at over £100. On the other hand, you can get a repro Girling 3/4 bore for about 30 notes with the same mounting centres. So, apart from "originality" and having to make up a new pipe (which I've got to do anyway), can anyone think of a reason for paying an extra £70+ for the Lockheed style? Or reasons for not using the Girling one???
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Post by 33grinder on Dec 4, 2010 19:17:25 GMT
Or, you could save even more money, get a repair kit and have a word with Matt as he has some masters. In fact, hold on, I have one myself. I think it's ok and I did resleeve it. The problem was taking in air where the r plastic filler screws onto the metal body, bit a trip to the local factors for a replacement washer will probably see it ripe for use again (said washers, bizarrely, do not come in a repair kit).
Let me know if you want my spare master. It also has a decent brake line attached (swapped mine for one of Matt's spares as my brakeline had a different thread for the master).
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 4, 2010 19:45:41 GMT
That would be wonderful, Pete, and thanks ;D I must admit that my biggest worry about the Girling was that it might not look right (high tech cast alloy rather than old-baked-bean tin effect) so a servicable Lockheed would be nicer! Sure I can find a way to seal up the plastic - even if it turns out to be a damaged resevoir, the one I've got is ok (about the only bit on it that is!) Any chance of it going in the pile with the engine mount?
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Post by 33grinder on Dec 4, 2010 20:28:58 GMT
Will have to go separately Joe. I didn't/won't see Matt this weekend as my street is still a little dangerous to drive on. Next Saturday is swmbo's birthday so no day pass and Sunday back on Rover. Still, whilst your engine mount at Central, the master is here with me at Essex South. Edited to add, spoke with Matt and your mount and side trims should be shipped out to you on Monday.
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Post by kenr on Dec 4, 2010 23:34:14 GMT
Good luck with the cola technique Joe. Done anymore on the interior?
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 4, 2010 23:41:12 GMT
Not a lot Ken. I'm leaving that to Sian and she's had a mixture of a lot of pain and a fairly urgent OU assignment to deal with so going and sitting in a cold workshop hasn't really been an option Updates will appear as soon as there's any change though
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 5, 2010 10:57:30 GMT
So, apart from "originality" and having to make up a new pipe (which I've got to do anyway), can anyone think of a reason for paying an extra £70+ for the Lockheed style? Or reasons for not using the Girling one??? What's the stroke of each one? More that I'd ever hope to see at the pedal ;D The one I've got here needs it's full stroke cos it won't hold fluid but they really shouldn't be using it when on the car and not leaking. The Girling has, if anything, a slightly longer stroke so would only be working over part of it's abilities. But the offer of Pete's old tin-can one hopefully solves the problem anyway
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 5, 2010 18:16:05 GMT
No movement overnight with the cola Have drained and refilled with boiling stuff in the hope it'll soak in a bit better but I'm beginning to wonder where to go next with it. Maybe flip it over and see if I can get the other side off as a start? Meanwhile, to cheer myself up and feel like there's some progress, I got the angle grinder and stripping disk out for a quick looksee under the paint on the ns wing: That is back to metal at every point I could see any sign of corrosion and I'm pleased to report that there are no signs of holes The usual suspects are sound: top where it joins the scuttle: Wheelarch: No photo of the front lower cos the paint was 100% sound so I'm assuming no probs there either. The top front, on the other hand, has given a clue as to why the respray signs. It seems that, while she was still on road all those years ago, the poor girl must have had a bit of an accident. Still, over 30 years later, this filler is still completely sound: Just goes to show that, if it's done properly, bodyfiller doesn't have to be a dirty word! It's currently sitting with all the bare stuff covered in rust remover to neutralise any I missed with the grinder and will get a few coats of primer in the next day or two. Pretty sure there shouldn't be any need for more filler on this - high-build primer to bring it up level and it should be good for topcoat
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Post by dafdaffer on Dec 6, 2010 7:17:30 GMT
looks very strong joe, cant believe how good that car is. i know that a lot of cars get bumped before they even get into show rooms as one of my mates used to repair them
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 6, 2010 17:40:24 GMT
Progress (of sorts)!!!! I got tired of soaking stuff, flipped the engine, and attacked the other side. It was a little stubborn but it gave up in the end so there's now only one stuck I may be being optimistic but I reckon that bore looks good enough to get away with honing and the rings Mac supplied. There's a bit of light rusting where the rings were stuck but it doesn't feel pitted and most of the stick seems to have been set-hard oil down the sides of the piston. There's no step at all in the bore and even still signs of the original cross-hatching: The phrase "barely run in" springs to mind - might even be able to re-use the existing rings once it's all cleaned up!! Just hope the other is similar when I finally get it off..... The wing also got a quick couple of coats of etch primer over the bare metal I'd left: Certainly nowhere near a "finished" job on that - lots more rubbing down and feathering to go before it's ready for real paint. But at least it looks like we're getting somewhere as we walk in there now ;D
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Post by 33grinder on Dec 6, 2010 20:59:07 GMT
That's one solid 'dil Joe, what a touch! I keep meaning to do that to Gavina's offside wing but I worry that I'll find more then just a touch of filler! ;D
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 7, 2010 11:55:16 GMT
I'm seriously hoping I won't need to strip it that far anyway but thanks for the tip in case I do ;D
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Post by 33grinder on Dec 7, 2010 19:50:33 GMT
I make Rich right there Joe, do it once and do it right! It'll only niggle you otherwise! Not that I have any vested interest of course, but I wouldn't mind seeing photos of the strip-down, and more importantly the re-build. ;D
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Post by spunkymonkey on Dec 7, 2010 19:56:32 GMT
Well, I'm really not that worried about oilways etc given how clean the oil was but it may end up the only way to free this damn piston - I've had it too hot to touch with a blowtorch today and still no movement.
So I'm getting close to split the block, take the rod off and smack hell out of it on the bench - at which point I suspect I might need one of Bob's spare pistons and cylinders ;D
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Post by kenr on Dec 7, 2010 22:51:49 GMT
Go on Joe, try the original Cola, what have you got to lose.
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